“He who has overcome his fears will truly be free.”

Steve 00:00
Welcome to the teach different podcast. We are here again with a couple of community organizers and activists from Chicago. They are frequent guests, Tr33 and Jarvis. We’re going to be talking about a quote from Aristotle today. And it’s going to be a really, really good quote. I would like for us to address some somewhere in the conversation, but maybe later after we start off with the quote, keep it a little shorter than normal. And I’d like to address the Minneapolis situation and some of the stuff that’s just happened in it. And I’m gonna ask these two young men, their opinions and their guidance on, you know, how we can as much as possible try to avert the types of tragedies that we’re seeing in the streets. There’s a lot of forces at play right now. There’s go play, you know, and there’ there’s civilians that feel that their rights are being taken aw not being heard. And this is a really, really ⁓ dangerous situ ways and it has to be approached in a very smart way. So I wanna talk about that and it will hopefully emerge right out of the quote. We know the drill here. Claim, counterclaim, essential question. I’m gonna read the quote. I’m gonna have Tr33 introduce himself and talk a little bit more about what he does before he weighs in on the quote for the first time. So that’s the slight alterations to our normal routine, but we’re gonna get things going right now. I’m gonna read the quote a couple of times. Tr33, it’ll be on you. introduce yourself and then come up with your claim or what you want to say about the quote. This is Aristotle, Greek philosopher, Plato’s student. He who has overcome his fears will truly be free. He who has overcome his fears will truly be free. Tr33, who are you? And weigh in on this provoked quote.

Tr33 02:31
Peace, peace, everybody on the podcast and viewers that’s listening in. My name is Tr33. I’m an artist. I’m an activist. I’m man of many hats. I’m a non-violence advocate. I’m a gun safety advocate, gun violence survivor. I use my story and my platform to inspire youth and to tell them, know, I’m also paraplegic due to gun violence. So I just use my entire being and my entire story to impact youth through social engagement and also through content means. ⁓ A man that has, say it one more time. I don’t wanna. His fears, free.

Steve 03:11
He who has overcome his fears will truly be free.

Tr33 03:18
I agree with that and I’m gonna like you said keep it short. ⁓ I literally just left the hospital You know Fouts he was on the phone with me. I just left the hospital My aunt they finna pull the tool. They finna pull the plug on my aunt Yeah, that’s I was coming from. So, huh? She had stage four colon cancer and she coded this morning. So she like stopped breathing this morning. So she’s now on the breathing tube. That’s the only reason she’s alive. So seeing all my cousins there crying, grieving, me being there crying, grieving. This is the second time I’ve seen death in this form. I’ve only ever seen death through the means of violence, like gun violence. So I’ve never really seen like health death or old age death until these two situations. And it kind of reminded me of the mortality of humans, of us. Like we’re not, this isn’t forever. So to get to the point though, how this connects to the prompt. A lot of people fear death the most. I feel like if you overcome the fear of death, You live such a amazing life and you’re able to appreciate and experience so many great things in life. And then I’ll close it with using myself as an example. When I was first paralyzed, I had PTSD and I feared being shot again. I feared being out in public again. And for like, I want to say two, three weeks when I came home from the hospital, it was summertime, I’m 18 years old, I’m paralyzed. I would just sit in my room looking at how the sunny the day is, but I was too scared to go out. But once I finally overcame that fear and rode on my porch and came outside into the summer heat and warmth, and I realized like, okay, I’m scared, but I have to move forward with my life because if not, I’m gonna keep myself in the illusion of that something’s gonna happen. And once I broke out of that, Look at me now, I’m on a podcast with two amazing gentlemen helping the world.

Steve 05:32
Were you afraid of violence? Is that what you were afraid, what were you afraid of when you had the PTSD?

Tr33 05:43
Yeah, trauma, the brain thinks it’s so smart. The human brain thinks it is a very smart thing. what the brain does is always trying to protect you, the false you at that. That’s what makes it even worse. It’s always trying to protect the false you, the ego. So my brain was basically just trying to prevent the same thing happening again. So it was trying to tell me to like be aware of signs. that looks like that. That looks like danger. That looks like, so I was always in a never ending thought process of perceiving some type of threat. And once I realized that that’s my mind creating the illusion, yes, it’s due to a real thing. It’s due to real trauma I experienced, but It’s like my mind was trying to predict that it would happen again and prevent it before it was even taking place, which was a trap that my mind.

Steve 06:49
And what that did, the trap, my goodness, I was about to say the same word. So you felt kind of, trapped yourself. And then the minute you, I don’t know what did it, what the switch was, but the minute you were able to just, what is it? Let go, stop worrying, roll yourself out there. What did it? Do you remember, was it one thing?

Tr33 07:20
Um, yeah, yeah, it was, it was two things. One, the first thing was me trying to commit suicide. I attempted to commit suicide and, I don’t know, it’s a mixture between chickening out and like coming to a realization. After that situation though, like I was very upset with myself that I even tried to harm myself. So I started to go through a process of reflecting like, what would make you wanna take your own life? And then I was thinking like my life, life how it is now. And then I thought, how is my life now? Oh, I know I can’t do anything cause I’m scared to go outside. Then I started asking myself, why? Why are you afraid to go outside? Why are you afraid? Why? And then I started thinking like, it’s just a lot of It sounds crazy, but just talking to myself, I talked to myself and realized, bro, you’re trapping yourself with illusions of hypothetical situation that you’re creating and your fear of it is making it almost seem real. Your belief in these things is making it real. Then I also put it to the test. Anytime where I will feel, something’s gonna happen. This is about to happen. I will wait to see if it happens. and it wouldn’t. So it’s almost like anytime you ever got on a plane or rode a roller coaster or anything, thought, ⁓ I just saw the movie Final Destination. They were on a roller coaster and it broke apart and everyone died. And then you’re on a roller coaster and you’re thinking, what if I die? What if I die? And then the roller coaster ends. And it’s like, what was all that nonsense I was thinking about? Why was I even thinking that? So yeah, just breaking free, like you said, free.

Steve 09:11
You caught on to it. It’s a mental trap. Like you were trapping yourself. And Jarvis, I want to hear your thoughts on this. He who has overcome his fears will truly be free.

Jarvis 09:29
I mean, I could piggyback off Tr33 plenty of times, but I’m going change it up for the listeners because maybe not everybody go through the traumatic experiences that we go through. So I’m going say a man that overcomes his fears is truly free. Even if it’s a business plan that people got in mind, even if it’s got something to do with being successful, but you’re hesitant to do it because you’re scared of failure. You’re scared that people may laugh at you. You’re scared that it may not work. It’s just the fear of what if. That’s what kills a lot of people. And once you kill that what if fear, I mean, you able to do anything because at that point you’re not looking at it as if what if it don’t work out or what if it do? You already know it’s going to work out by faith. So now you just moving on that trajectory is moving up a hill. So for all the listeners that’s, know, trying to do business or trying to branch out and do something different, you know, it’s going to be uncomfortable. for sure because it’s new and it’s gonna force you to go back into being comfortable or to your comfortability and that’s where the fear lies that you know, no I’m not really used to this I’m gonna go back to doing what I used to do. Don’t do that, stay uncomfortable. Make your uncomfortable your comfortable now because as you do that you grow extremely, you grow every time and you overcome in a lot of things.

Steve 10:51
And may And the growth, I’m associating the word growth with being free. You have to be free to grow. Right? Like if you’re trapped, if you’re worried about failing, like you’re saying, or in your case, Tr33, if you’re just, you know, doing that movie in your head of all the terrible things that are going to happen, you’re trapped.

Jarvis 11:00
Yeah, that’s the bar. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, you

Tr33 11:22
Also

Jarvis 11:22
Trapping yourself.

Steve 11:23
And it’s getting over it. Jarvis, how would you say, what’s the recipe for getting over

Jarvis 11:28
The recipe to that is to to face them. I once heard a wise man say, the one way to beat your fears is to stop running from them. I never really understood what he was talking about, because I always thought he was talking about it physically. But no, he’s telling you to sit down, face it mentally, spiritually. It’s going to be OK. It’s uncomfortable. Yes, but once you face it, it’s uncomfortable. It’s so much uncomfortable to face things that you feel that’s a fear to you. So people kind of, know, gradually they kind of like, nah, I’m gonna just let that hang up right there. I’m comfortable with staying away from it. But once you kind of face it on here first, like you become stronger as a person, mentally, spiritually and physically. You able to move at a different pace now. You’re not limited to the things that you hear. You know what saying? Not at all. That’s why I always try to tell a lot of people is like, being comfortable is kind of like being. own life support. And they always look at me like that’s weird, in a way you are on life support because you come to you. The moment that you become uncomfortable, it becomes hard to live for you. So the moment I unplug you from this machine, it becomes hard for you to live. But you got to face these things. Like me personally, I’m going use it as an example. I ain’t going to keep it too long. I want to become my own entrepreneur. I know me personally Jarvis can’t really work a nine to five because I don’t really have the attention span for that. Okay, cool. So I need the knowledge to branch out and make my own empire. What’s stopping me? ⁓ man, that what if it don’t work out? What if I do put all my time into this empire and it don’t work? Now I’m back at base one, but what if I do put all my time into it and it do work out? Or what if you know it’s a little hard, but if I stick with it, I get it. So now I’m just starting to, you gotta learn how to face, or like I always say, choose your hard. So I’m just choosing it to be my hard right now.

Steve 13:25
Yeah.

Jarvis 13:25
I’m just facing all the odds right now.

Steve 13:28
You’re going to come up with a quote, remember, on that. that’s the assignment. You’re going to come up with another quote that choose your hard. In fact, maybe that is the quote. We’re going to be doing that one. That one is really, really good. Let me, I’m going to share really quickly, 20 years ago, you know, when you all were just babies, pretty much, I had this dream where I was being chased. in a, it was like a maze. Have ever seen like a mouse that’s in a little maze where it’s just like running around and there’s, you know, quick turns everywhere and it doesn’t know how to get out, right? And I was running and I was fearing for my life. Like I can’t even, I will start feeling it again if I think about this too hard. I got to get through this, but

Jarvis 14:08
Yeah, like, like, you just don’t know how to get out.

Steve 14:26
someone was going to kill me and it was clear to me they were right behind me. So what I was trying to do was I was trying to run and then turn really quick and then turn really quick again because I was thinking he’s not going to be able to follow my path if I keep turning and I can get you know I can get away. So I keep doing this and then I got this sense of okay wait this could be working here. And I make a turn. He’s standing right there. Staring at me. And that’s when like all the fears came to like a boiling point. And I was like, okay, this is, I’m gone. This is my death. And I’ll never forget this. Like he just looked at me and then he set me on fire somehow. Okay. And I was like literally burning up and I was experiencing my own death. after that fear. And then I don’t know why, I don’t know how, I, with my own mind, said, all right, I’m gone. or it was some kind of like, okay, I gotta accept this. The minute you know where this is going.

Jarvis 16:00
Maybe it was something that you realized, like maybe you got to the point where like you just say, I’m not finna keep running. I’ma face it, you know?

Steve 16:12
had to, that’s it. That’s it. I was done running. I was tired and, and I just fake, I just said, okay, I’m gone. The minute I accepted it and I was like there and I was okay with it.

Jarvis 16:17
Man.

Steve 16:33
The fire went out. and I’m sitting here and I’m looking at him and I saw him blink.

Jarvis 16:37
What?

Steve 16:44
Then, this is so crazy, I held out my hand, like my arm, not to shake his hand, but I just held out my arm and I looked at it. And I looked back at him and I set my own arm on fire. I did it. And then he just turned and ran. And it was like, look, this is

Jarvis 16:50
Mm-hmm.

Steve 17:13
crazy, but it’s one those situations where my problem was I was afraid. The minute I was not afraid and I accepted something, I was the powerful one. And I thought about that freedom. This is what the quote made me think about. Just how I was all powerful, like being able to set my own hand on fire. Like, what are you trying to do to me, dude? Like, I can do this on my own. Anyway, I just share that because I still talk about it obviously, and it was 20 years ago. But then when I get confronting something in real life, I feel like I reach back for that one, you know, and realize, hey, just relax, right? So thank you for indulging me on that one. Let me read this quote again. And I want to counterclaim, okay, I want to try one here.

Tr33 18:11
Somebody want to say what’s But also I wanted to add, I wanted to add like fear is where before we go to the counterclaim or before we change. Fear also is attached to like the fight or flight.

Jarvis 18:14
I think my…

Tr33 18:26
So, a lot of times fear can almost literally paralyze you to where you’re like not deciding or you’re like not making a move in your life and that can be like you’re trapped. That can be like you’re literally physically trapped and you’re stuck. And like they said, you will come free once you release the fear.

Steve 18:45
Yes. I think it’s called cortisol. That’s what’s released. It’s a chemical, like it’s in the back of your neck. And the minute it’s the fight or flight hormone, you know, it’s the one that just gets shot into you. The minute you just like paralyze, you know, the fear grips you. So that’s real. I don’t know. mean, he who has overcome his fears will truly be free.

Jarvis 19:11
So what do you think would be a good counterclaim for this? So could I say the ones that I, okay, cause I kind of, always kind of think about this, right? Now just hit me up. Both of y’all, I would love y’all thoughts on this. I always kind of think of like this, the people that’s at the top or the people that made it out the bucket is like the people that kind of overcame their fears. And what I mean by that, I’m gonna describe it a little deeper. So people that’s in a higher. the elites or like people that made it, multimillionaires and stuff like that. I feel like those are the people that kind of conquered their fears versus the people that kind of worked nine to fives and just walked the street like normal people. And I feel like they haven’t conquered their fears and they more contempt and comfortable with where they at. So they don’t even kind of even think to even kind of face those fears. And I don’t know, I don’t want to be wrong about that, but that’s what I kind of think separates a lot of us from. from being greats, that we haven’t really faced a lot of fears and that’s why these people where they at, because they faced fears, they sacrificed, they did a lot of time and a lot of stuff for this stuff, so like, I don’t know.

Steve 20:29
But most people would rather have the comfort.

Jarvis 20:32
Yeah, there you go. not just being content Like, you know, I got a phone, or I got a car, I got a house. It might not be the best, but I have it, and you know, I’m okay with this, but.

Steve 20:42
I see that. I see that. you thinking counterclaim with ⁓ that? What’s the counterclaim? Spell it out.

Jarvis 20:46
Yeah, like, like, yeah, that was the county crime. The counterclaim to me was basically like the people that don’t overcome their fears are basically like NPCs. want to say like, you just worked the regular normal fast, you trapped into the system of, you know, I’m just speaking differently of, of rather than violence or guns though. Like, you know, like people don’t overcome that. They stuck into the nanofiles or the rat, the rat race. Let me say that. That’s the perfect thing. They stuck in a rat race. So like.

Steve 21:06
I got you. I got you. Well, okay, so, cause that kind of fits the claim, right? Like, know, Tr33, why don’t you, what’s going on in your mind? I want to bring a couple things together cause something’s emerging. Go ahead.

Tr33 21:31
I would say, even overcame your fears, you can still be a slave to other things. I don’t think freedom only comes from not being afraid of things. Because you can be a slave or you could be trapped to other people’s expectations. You could be trapped to other people’s ideas. So you could be a fearless person, you could be a fearless person all you want. But if you’re, you live in your life,

Steve 21:40
Okay, okay. There you go.

Tr33 21:59
in the box of other people’s ideologies or expectations or things like that, you’re still trapped. You’re still a slave. You’re just a courageous slave. So, I mean, yeah, you’re not completely free to touch or afraid of things. You’re free of fear, at least. You have freedom of fear, but you can still be trapped. Like for instance,

Steve 22:07
There you go. Okay, I follow. I follow that.

Tr33 22:31
Like an army person, for instance, an army person. You’re the bravest soldier, but you still have to take orders. And what if one of the orders you get is kind of morally against what you feel is right? Yeah, you don’t have no fear to take life. You’re a fearless warrior. You take life in the honor of your country. But now you’re faced with a decision, do I obey the people that are above me or do I go against that? Fear might not even make you do the order. It’s just simple fact that you’re under someone. So you’re not free. You work for somebody, you’re under somebody. You have freedom, but you have to truly use it. And I feel like to truly use your entire freedom, you have to be free of all things, free of ideas, free of almost, almost free of yourself. Because the illusion of yourself, the identity of your ego, that is what molds and bends itself to try to fit into a mold and be perfect. So real freedom comes from dissolving the illusion of ego. But yeah, that’s basically.

Steve 23:32
That’s what traps you.

Jarvis 23:43
Yeah, that too. That too, Or finding yourself. I could say that too, Like, it ain’t always about killing your ego. Yeah, because it’s about finding yourself too, though, because like, OK, like, let’s say for instance, OK, you do overcome your fears. Like you say, it don’t always be that a person fears something, right? So let’s say, OK, you do overcome that stuff, though, but you still like, still stuck in the way, though. You see what I’m saying? You’re not really progressing. If you get what I’m saying, man.

Tr33 23:45
You can’t be free on that.

Steve 23:49
Yeah, what about finding yourself?

Jarvis 24:12
I don’t know.

Steve 24:14
Yeah. Yeah.

Tr33 24:14
Yeah, like, boom, you want to start a business. You’re afraid to start the business. So you just do it anyway. Like, OK, I overcame my fear of starting my business. But you running your business program or you running your business model based off what your uncle said would be a good model. I think you should run a business like this. So now it’s like.

Jarvis 24:32
Right, right. There you go. There you go. So like you, you overcame your fill, but you, yeah.

Tr33 24:39
You still moving based off other people’s like what they believe like, well, I did it like this. So you got to do it like this. And if you’re not a strong-minded person, you just going to go over what they.

Jarvis 24:49
Alright. Alright, there you go. He explained to me then. That’s cool then. Cause I get what you’re saying now.

Steve 24:54
And I’ll bet you, could get a psychologist to really dig into that. And they would argue maybe that when you follow someone else’s lead, that actually does reveal a fear, but you’re just not, it’s not as overt. You know what I’m saying? I’m just, I don’t know whether that’s true or not, but I think that the subtleties that you two are bringing up are real. It’s not all about overcoming fear. There’s other things that keep us from being everything we can be.

Jarvis 25:23
Alright, I- Yup, which is like, could be family, places, things. But just to argue and be a clown to claim against this though, like I still know people to this day, like, overcome fears, but even though when they overcome their fears, they still don’t do nothing productive. Like, we’re overcoming their fears, like, okay, we get that you overcame your fear though, but like you still not moving in a sense. And that’s why I be kind of saying to people like, okay, like you overcame your fear. So what next? Like, was it even a fear problem? Like you see what I’m saying?

Steve 26:02
There you go. That’s a new one. That’s a new counterclaim right there. So you got someone who’s so courageous, okay? They’re not afraid of dying anymore. And they just don’t have a purpose. Like they’re just good, just sitting around all day. Why try for anything? I’m just gonna be kind of lazy. I don’t wanna really accomplish anything. I’m not afraid to die.

Jarvis 26:12
Mm-hmm. And this

Steve 26:31
I’m not afraid to go into hell. I got no one in my ear that’s saying, why don’t you do something?

Jarvis 26:33
Yeah, and that’d them type of people, right? then like, cause it’d be those type of people, like just how you explained it, it’ll be a person just like that. And they’ll just be more of like, if it come, it comes. If it don’t, it don’t. Like, you know what I’m saying? Like it’s like, not putting no effort into it. like,

Steve 26:51
That’s not freedom. That’s like, you’re becoming powerless. You’re accepting your own powerlessness.

Jarvis 26:56
Just be as… Yeah, yeah.

Tr33 27:02
That’s I started to think of too when I heard the question, when I heard the statement, like, what is free? What is free? What is that? Like, what is free? Like, free of what? Cause okay, not having fear is, like for instance, a person that’s in jail, you know how many fearless people are in prison, but they still in prison.

Steve 27:11
There’s your essential question. What does that mean?

Jarvis 27:14
Right. Cause I ain’t done fruit.

Steve 27:30
I don’t mean to laugh.

Tr33 27:31
So it’s like, how are you free?

Jarvis 27:33
You see what I’m saying?

Tr33 27:36
Like, like, what is true free? What is the true, what is, what is true free?

Jarvis 27:36
Yeah.

Steve 27:38
I mean, that’s crazy! Well, I got, you know what? Well, Malcolm X, I got this lying down when he said, when he picked up those books and stuff, when he was kind of ⁓ recuperating himself in prison, he said, when I was reading those books, I have never felt more free than when I was in that prison cell reading books. I didn’t feel free when I was on the streets. I felt free because his mind was going right. So, you know, back to your thing, Tr33, if it’s a mindset, I mean, isn’t freedom a mindset? You know, I don’t know. What do you think?

Jarvis 28:16
Mm-hmm. It is. It is. That’s crazy. It really is though. It really is.

Steve 28:29
You know, you know, but it.

Jarvis 28:32
I see now if that’s the true thing though if freedom really a mindset then we need to get half the whole world on head then till we can help them man cuz I ain’t gonna lie man if that’s just a mindset and you think you free and you move like you free cuz I ain’t gonna lie mr. Fouts what you think of yourself is what you projected yourself is what you act out like and that’s something that I be telling the young community too like you think of yourself as a 30 popper or 50 round carrier. These are the things that your brain are gonna play out and you’re gonna act out. You know what I’m saying? So you gotta be careful what you think of yourself and what you project of yourself. Yeah.

Steve 29:04
Yeah. Let me do this because I promised this at the beginning. I said we were going to talk about the Minneapolis thing. Okay. Let me try this here. Back on the 24th, Saturday morning, we got this guy that was a legal observer and he had his phone out and ice agents came at him along with a couple, a couple of women by him and they push the women, and he tried to get in front of them to protect the two women. And unfortunately, you know, he got tackled and shot by and killed by ICE. Okay. That action that he took in a chaotic environment, I’m going to say the action of, get your phone out. He’s in the middle of the street and there’s ICE agents all over. Right there, you know, that’s going to take a little bit of courage and he’s got to at least not have a fear of something to be able to do that. Your normal person won’t do that. And then he tries to protect those women. And, you know, if he’s pushing an ICE agent away from someone, he’s asking for it. So I’m thinking his mindset. I don’t know where to go really with this event and how to connect it to the quote. Okay. So I’d like to actually hear from both of you. If there’s anything you see about people who seem to really take on and put themselves in dangerous situations around law enforcement or just in chaos in general and what they’re thinking and how it might fit with this quote. That’s an open-ended question. And if it doesn’t click with you, we’ll do it with another quote later. But what are your thoughts?

Tr33 30:59
Thank you. ⁓

Jarvis 31:26
Yeah, my idea is, I’m just kicking it off. My idea is to be honest, I did that a couple of times, but not trying to take the glory from him though. just feel like in those moments that I did kind of stick up for other people that I felt couldn’t stick up for themselves, it’s kind of humanity. At this point, you gotta know that you’re doing something wrong, man. You wrong for what you’re doing. So at this point, I’m gonna step in, like even though it may cause you my life or cause a consequence, but what you doing here is wrong as a human. It’s just wrong. you know what I’m saying? When some people just don’t like that and like, and that scenario, like I’m not gonna lie, that’s murder for ice agents though, because I mean, if you push them to the ground or you tackle them, he’s no longer a threat to you, period. So you got him under control, you probably still shot him in whatever case it is. That’s just crazy. But I condone that, condolences it to his family, you know what I’m saying? For being a righteous person, man. It wasn’t about the color or the race and all like that, man. It was about being righteous. That’s just being righteous, man. I’m not gonna let you just be pushing on elderly women or old people or people with their kids. Even if they ain’t, I don’t have to know them, man. That’s just wrong, man. Come on, like what you doing? That’s wrong. You know what saying? You’re abusing your authority right now. these people can’t stand up to you, or else you’re gonna kill them. Like you killed me or something like that. Like you know what I’m saying? But that’s just crazy.

Steve 32:50
Tr33, what are you thinking?

Tr33 32:51
I think that anybody that is the side of freedom, on the side for freedom, they more than likely are willing to give their life for it. And they more than likely are aware that that may be a cost because a lot of times, and then the lack of fear, lack of fear, fear of like, Jarvis just said like, a righteous person with humanity within them, they will take it there with you. A righteous human being that is full of humanity will take it there with you and not be afraid of your gun, your political position, not nothing. Because I feel like that’s, not to make it too religious or any spiritual, but I feel like that’s where God is. I feel like God is in the midst of true justice and true freedom. And when God is in the midst of that, death is like a mere illusion because that man that just sacrificed himself, he will be remembered forever by his family, by the families of those people who he protected.

Jarvis 34:08
Yeah, that’s good. Forever though, for real.

Tr33 34:19
by the rest of humanity because this is about a president of time we in. So anybody who puts their life on the line for freedom and then also overcomes their own fear. to help, that is free. It is like, ain’t gonna lie, feel like, this might sound, I don’t want this to come off dark. I don’t want this to sound dark, but I feel like death is the true freedom. Outside of like surface level freedom you could have here, just like free of like, well, I know I’m free. We’re free. We’re free thinkers, free thinking. free thinking is the first step. But I feel like the ultimate, ultimate, ultimate form of freedom is death. It’s transitioning out of this entire shebang in the first place. But not to say that people should be running to that. Not to say that I don’t want it to come out like I’m encouraging people to hurt themselves or the only way to get out of here is be alive. But just for a person that has lost their life in the middle of the fight for freedom and you had to go past fear to even, because I’m pretty sure he was afraid to get, know, but he faced that fear and said, I don’t care. I’m going to record these people doing wrong. Oh my God, he’s pushing them. I’m going to get in middle of it.

Jarvis 35:27
You ain’t You

Tr33 35:51
Some say it cost him his life, but I would say granted him his freedom. Now he doesn’t even have to deal with under this.

Jarvis 35:58
It’s crazy that that cost him his life though, Like seriously though, but I love a courageous person. And I do truly give him his flowers because at that point, I don’t even think it was really fair or nothing like that. He’s watching people be oppressed, defenseless. These people have been attacked, they defenseless. Like, come on, man. What more do you want from them? And that’s probably what he got to it. And that’s probably what a lot of people get when they just start to see stuff where it’s just, okay, now this is enough. You know what I’m saying? It’s enough. It’s enough, man. Come on now. This is not the only guy that lost his life. A lady lost her life also out there protesting with them too as well. So this is not the first United States citizen that you guys didn’t kill. You guys are being very rambunctious. You’re doing anything. You’re rocking up into people’s establishments. You’re going into people’s bags. You’re threatening, you’re harassing people. What you’re doing is… You came to do a job, but what you’re doing is oppressing the people. And now you got the people that’s getting enough courage to say, know what, here, this is enough. It’s even black people out there, white people, Asian people, Indian people out there telling them people, man, hey, look, this is enough, man. Now we get y’all doing y’all job, but this is enough. Y’all overdoing it. It’s enough. You killing too many people. You know what saying? This is enough, man. Come on now, this is enough. We get that you here to do a job. But for that man, Alex Jeffery, what he did was he became courageous for a group of people that was being oppressed. And we need more people like that. And if you ever pay attention to it, every time we get leaders or people just like him that will stand up in the midst of hell and hop. Hot water for people that’s been oppressed you see exactly what they do to them. They kill them. They make them a mockery They make them an example for anybody that wants to stand up in hot water This is what your end will be and that’s what they’re trying to do is you trying to control us by fear You trying to oppress us anybody that come out here stand for these people. This is what you’re gonna get you’re gonna die So you’re telling me at this point you killing United States citizens for defending human people

Jarvis 38:16
We pay you our tax dollars and you kill us for defending righteous immigrants. Half the people that we protect they got papers. So you tell them you gonna kill me and we pay you our tax dollars. Come on man.

Steve 38:30
Yeah, that was interesting.

Tr33 38:32
What’s throwing me off, what’s throwing me off, this is a miny miny super miny tangent, super many. But what’s throwing me off is that they calling these people aliens. why are they calling human beings aliens, bro? Like, then somebody told me like, that just means foreign. I said, why they… We have a word for that, foreign. Like, I could have sworn alien means we don’t know. Like, they’re not identified.

Jarvis 38:57
Man, these people are not aliens, man. These are human beings, bro. These are human beings, bro. These people have a whole culture. Like, that’s the thing that I hate,

Tr33 39:01
They know where these people coming from. Like they’re coming from countries like Venezuela, wherever. I feel like if it was a race of people and we were identifying them as aliens, we wouldn’t know their language. They wouldn’t have, like they would have just appeared here out of nowhere. They don’t have like a country we can send them back to. We don’t understand their language. There’s no language on this planet that they speak. They have their own language and that would be considered to me an alien. ⁓ If that happened, like, we found these people. These people came out of nowhere. They’re in Los Angeles now, it’s like 30,000 people and they all speak this weird language, we don’t know what they’re saying, they look strange. I would think, okay, yeah, those are alien people. They’re seeing these people from other countries are illegal aliens. That’s throwing me off. Like, why are y’all calling these people aliens? And then also, also there’s a legal, so they’re seeing it, so if it’s an illegal alien, there’s legal aliens? Like, what’s going on? So there’s something as a legal alien. because bro I had a small thought bro that what if what if these are really aliens though

Jarvis 40:05
Thank you.

Steve 40:10
I get the mini tangent.

Tr33 40:14
of the…I think these people really hate this. There’s a small tangent. I just don’t understand that.

Jarvis 40:14
Man, that’s not fair to these people. That’s not fair for these people because look, on some real stuff, gonna keep it a buck game. If you really want to say that, then we might as well say that the whole United States ain’t nothing but a big ass joke. It ain’t nothing but a big ass, uh, uh, uh, uh, We done made these people pledge allegiance to these flags for years, for years and it was illegal. And then you wanna come do this to these people? Come on, man. These people have a culture. these are real people, gang. They not coming over here to do no harm to nobody, bro.

They come over here to bring culture, love, peace. Yeah, it is a couple of bad people. Just like it’s a couple of bad people for us. It’s a couple of bad people for them. That don’t matter, bro. These people over here doing good, man. And I understand that a lot of people that’s idiots and that they might think, they coming over here and taking our stuff. But man, on some real stuff, man. And I’ve been born and raised here. These people ain’t taking nothing that we wasn’t offered. These people over here bringing their kids over here so their kids can have a better life. It ain’t for them, it’s for their kids, bro. All we trying to do is come over here, live, and get our kids to some freedom, man. Come on, man. We in a shit storm right now. And all they doing is, no, kill them all, send them back. Bro, come on, that’s not human. That’s not the way God want us to live,

Steve 41:45
It’s frustrating. I – Jarvis, feel you. I feel you. Here’s what I want to do. I’m gonna ask both of you the same question. I want you to keep it brief and this will close us out for today, okay? The question is this. What do you want to say to protesters right now? People who are going to get up, it’s negative 10 out, you know, they’re in communities that are not safe anymore, but they are motivated and they want to do something. What do you want to say to them?

Jarvis 42:44
Yeah, man, I just feel like I tell the state all the listeners and anybody listening man if God give you the urge to go stand up for something right man go stand up for something right man Don’t be don’t don’t just sit down on your butt man. Go stand up for them people cuz all I’m gonna say is this Tablet’s turn bridges burn you live and you learn it’s they turn out and we think it’s funny. It’s they turn out but just just please have some humanity and just man cuz I’m telling you want to other foot it be a different situation that’s all I’m saying

Steve 43:16
All right, thank you. Tr33, close us out.

Tr33 43:21
to the protestors that are already organized and to the ones that are thinking about getting organized, thinking about getting into the fight. I would say first things first, organize. Meaning it has to be some type of order to it. Everything we’re doing has to have order because chaos doesn’t really solve things. So like getting too emotional and just like raging out. It’s like they’re trying to rage bait us. They’re trying to rage bait us into looking like we’re crazy in a sense. So I would say first organize and secondly, think about past revolutions and past movements. that actually got changed and we need to try to possibly mirror those. One example would be the Civil Rights Movement. Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement and leaders, they got a lot of change done without ever lifting a hand back at the oppressor because that can be used against us like violence. You trying to match their violence can easily turn against us. So organize and try to find ways where we can peacefully present our protest and our, you know, our fight against oppression. Violence should be the last straw, like the very, very, very, very, very last straw.

Steve 45:07
Discipline. I’m going to throw that in there. I want to pick up the discipline theme maybe in our next get together, but I appreciated that. I appreciated this podcast. This was special. So thank you fellas. And we will, that’ll be it for now for Teach Different. Look for our next podcast soon. And we’re going to try as much as we can.

Tr33 45:22
Likewise.

Steve 45:37
to apply these conversations to real life, you know, so we can maybe help get people centered and more disciplined and freer. So take care everybody.